We’ve all heard the warnings about not becoming victims while using the internet with the most prevalent messages leaning towards the hazards of identity theft and online fraud. Yes, the internet is used at times for evil, not good. I am sure that everyone has had some case if they have been on the internet.
I take serious issue with the manner in which Mr. Toews, Canada’s Minister of Public Safety has handled this new yet to be passed law, named C-30. As he put it, "could either stand with the government side or you can stand with all the online child pornographers.” Statements like that only serve only to take the focus from the issue which in turn can only serve to dilute opportunities to properly explain the exact content and intended use of the bill itself. Toews has garnered a lot of criticism, more so for his behavior than for the actual validity of this new bill itself.
The bill has been sent to Parliamentary. I don’t believe that the majority of a country should be profiled by the pages they visit nor do I think that the online society at large is that of evil – for that matter I do understand that there is a justification in security. But there is much to be said for this C-30 bill. For myself, I don’t believe within this bill for several reasons. As the average consumer and taxpayer is footing the bill as well as being profiled for the sake of justice to be served. As well, it’s a breach of privacy much of the same as the old telephone wire tapping. As for safety, why should every citizen be profiled and incur the costs which shall go along with it. By way of taxes as well as by way of increased costs from internet service providers whom charge extra cost as they come to be responsible in complying with a law and then place extra charges onto the consumer?
Don’t get me wrong I do find merit with appropriate measures. However, this Bill C-30 not only has flaws it’s very premature. I do believe within freedom of speech. As well, there certainly is a percentile of evil which does take place on the internet. Yet I don't think that the federal government has taken everything into consideration with this new bill. As it’s shall be at the cost of every taxpayer byway of federal taxes coupled with increased charges from our friendly Internet Service Providers. There's no way of knowing how much Bill C-30 will truly cost but if this law commonly known as “the snoopy bill” it shall be at the onus of the people. For the internet service providers, the toll it will take on their bottom line could be significant, because of the investment in equipment needed to allow real-time interceptions of online conversations or for preserving huge amounts of data.
The costs could be huge.
Christopher Parsons, an internet writer and blogger, who's written about the laws of access in the United States, indicates that the United States Congress set aside $ 500 million dollars to compensate ISPs and mobile providers for equipping their networks with real-time surveillance capability. Within the industry there is ball park estimate cost ranging from $1.3 to $1.7 billion. More than often these figures are what they call projected figures. The one area where the government has promised to pick up the tab is the ISPs' costs to comply with each request for subscriber data or an actual intercept. What that means is that the intercept business can become a cash cow for all internet service providers.
In the United States interceptions have become a business model, so there are cases where large telecommunications companies have set up entire branches where 200 employees sit in a room and all they do is assisting law enforcement with interception and monitor requests, but they make money on every request that comes in. In other words the government is paying private companies to spy.
But being paid for subscriber data requests wouldn't provide much revenue for a small enterprise like his, says Copeland, who is also Chair of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers. In 17 years, he's had one request from police. If we're being compensated on a per request basis, I may never be compensated for that investment in storage and wiretapping equipment. Copeland adds that the request by police for subscriber data never came to fruition anyway. "I had a call from the local police asking if I could provide the information. I said I could but I would simply need a letter signed off by the officer and the chief, requesting it. I was told I'd have it in 20 minutes and it never arrived.” Under the new bill, Copeland would have no choice but to hand over the information. But, Copeland points out, the RCMP is supposed to pay the costs for phone wiretaps and phone companies often wait and wait for their bills to be paid. It's hard to guess how often the police and CSIS will use the powers in the bill if it passes in its present form. I would estimates there will be hundreds of requests per day, because the information police can obtain without a warrant -- customer name, address, email. IP address -- is incredibly useful.
So not only does that identify an individual, but who they're talking with, where they're talking, how often they're talking -- so who are the important individuals in that online community can be identified.
We're talking Skype, web forums, Facebook, Google, all of them. Facebook provides all the services that a TSP would there's chat, the wall post... If you provide a communications service to the public in some sense, then you will be captured by this bill."
So who will pay?
hmmm interesting...going to bed.... will ponder this for now.
ReplyDeleteand the never ending spying games never ends. And to think the persons being spied if were not guilty at all were all put to some shameless agonistic acts of being followed wherever, and whenever, and whatever their doing. Heck! that was a lot of a heck to the fullest. May God bless these people.
ReplyDelete... but i swear i will thank them if they could at least give me a hint as to where is the best muffins aside Krispy kream laughs* i love two of their variants.
Who is watching the watchers? More costs!
ReplyDeleteGrammy I don't think this shall go through, yet up here in Canada it's constanly on the news.
ReplyDeleteI guess spying is a way of life anymore Jack...But I do hate it when I visit a website and then I get emails from similar sites trying to sell me something. My spam folder is always getting junk mail because of me visiting certain sites.
ReplyDeleteMarty this is like that yet the manner that this has been placed by the federal government here, it's has not gone through yet and I do understand the idea of internet security but the manner which this has been put together is one which I don't think shall get passed into law. Yet this Toews does
ReplyDeletefeel that it shall and I am really surprised. As law enforcements here and within the US do have internet authority but right now many Canadians are
making there voice heard as it will come out within taxes as well as the major ISP companies will charge onto the customers.
I can see the need for internet security and a graduation - but not by the means of how this has been presented. I believe in freedom of speech
with no more chargers for services that are redundant.
Like using a sledge hammer to try to kill a mosqito.
ReplyDeleteI ask how much should the innocent suffer, pay, due to the guilty? Furthermore, no law or punishment will address the problem at the source which is in our hearts. This is just more of the system trying to make itself look useful.
ReplyDeleteI feel when ever government writes a bill, there will be problems
ReplyDeletesame thing over here really Jack. I do believe in internet security, but there has to be a better way.
ReplyDeleteI agree we don't need the cost put on us but we do need more privacy and safety here as well as everywhere..
ReplyDeleteAnd as someone mention who's watching the watchers. I don't know them all personally and there is creeps everywhere (including the power hungry) --some who might even make a little on the side selling that information
I think there is a better way for our privacy and safety.
And it upsets me how many times I have read something and know myself personally where one was in danger now not just on hackers but how many can get enough personal information they don't need access too without our permission to even take it further. They should have no right to that to begin with unless we personally give it. More information should be private.
I don't like people can look up an address and see others home as nice as that is for some. Some need more privacy for protection of all sorts of things. (do I see children's toys there?) You want to give it-fine. If not it shouldn't be there. Sorry that is how I feel. . Their phone number from an address or visa versa. Or just a name. Who is giving out that information and to who? And where did they get it?
There has to be a better way to all of this. Without the huge money factor as well
I worry about these times. Good post
Thankfully, in the US, the forces are mainly used for good, not evil. I don't mind paying a little extra for the service we receive, which involves finding lost and exploited children and adults. For my money, if I'm innocent, I have nothing to hide from surveillance. If I have things to hide, i'm not likely to advertise it on the internet. Therefore, anything that the Internet Police have to find out about me, they already know. And, so far, it hasn't cost the American consumer significantly more to use Internet Service Providers. Also, if you shop around, you can find low-cost providers, of which I take full advantage, because otherwise, I wouldn't be able to be on here.
ReplyDeletePeople complain about loss of privacy, but in an age of information being exchanged at a rate that none of us has control over, I'm glad there are agencies in place to keep an eye on the things that may be going on. These agencies have lead to sites policing their own services by providing spam protection, and educating the public about using sites that may be dangerous. If you look, I'd be willing to bet that there is a safe site that lists all the other safe sites available for almost anything you want or need to know. Does it slow me down? No. I can still locate stupid at the sound of light! :-)
So, fear not. In a year or two, you won't even be aware that these precautions are in effect. If I had not read this this morning, I might still not think of it at all.
You may not have anything to hid mistressofmerriment (love the name) but some very innocence people do have real protective issues and they are not being protected with the wealth of information that can be had legally now by so many.
ReplyDeleteLets be careful we're not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, Tess. Would that include the Civil Rights Act of 1965? The Voting Rights Act? The Interstate Highway Bill of the 1950's? The Americans With Disabilities Act of 1993?
ReplyDeleteWould the problems you mention include past bills to provide unemployment insurance and consumer protections in food, drug and automobile safety?
The government can overreach, but it can also make signifigant changes to make people's lives better.
As technology increases. so will the "need" to spy on people---some with lawful intent based on a lawful warrant.
ReplyDeleteBut I believe, Jack, this is going to become more commonplace for communities on the Web simply because politicans know that there is a fear out there of terorrists or child-preying degenerates---it's a powerful tool to keep themselves in office and private firms can make money off.
Who will them donate mney and support to candidates. Homeland Security is big business now in the USA and that will not change. Incidents of child pornography or terrorists wil be the excuse to make us all data-mined potential suspects, stripped of freedoms. And some in Ottowa are marching to the same drum.
Thanks for this essay Jack. There's a lot to worry about here.
As dnoakes correctly points out, there are many laws, which were once bills introduced into congress as bills which have become essential to our lives. And I contend that when you have young children involved or people who want to blow the US out of the water, an ounce of prevention can be worth a pound of cure. Yes, it may be a political ploy on the part of the man who introduced the bill, but it can have far-reaching benefits in the long run. The bill as he has introduced it will likely not pass. It's too all-encompassing. It will be pared down and combined with other bills and lose all meaning before it is ever passed. And, like the US counterpart, no one will even realize it's been put in place until someone's child goes missing or a plot is uncovered on the internet. Let's face it, terrorists are usually not made up of Harvard Graduates! Most people with a sixth grade education, who can read instructions or at least follow them, are the ones we need to watch for. And they are so proud of their work that they just can't wait to share it with their friends on FB. So, we will be saved from those idiots.
ReplyDeleteI still stand by the remark I made that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. Our government isn't interested in the innocent blogs that are written on Multiply or Blogger. They are more likely to be looking for the sixth grad scholar who brags. In the meantime, if anything I write amuses them enough to read it, GREAT!!! I write to be read. So it works for me. I have passed every background check I've ever had to succumb to, for college and my internship in a prison. So I'm not the least bit worrried about what they may garner from my activity. I've also been checked upon applying to rent a residence and will be again, soon, when we move into town. I'm not worried. Period. And you shouldn't be, either. The Feds don't care about you if you aren't a threat. You aren't the ones they are after. And if I entertain them while they look for the bad guys, then good for me.
Thank you. A friend and I collaborated to choose it. I like it, too.
ReplyDeleteRich a neat way of putting it.
ReplyDeleteVery much I have not seen the numbers on this but this law would not service the need which they have really not address. Toews has been
ReplyDeleteasked by many to resign. There would be more money made and Canada is one of the highest taxed countries within the world. And
with all that - the majority would be footing the bill for the areas which I believe are within the jursdiction of the law and law enforcement.
Doug so very true however, right now as we speak there predominantly is an infrastructure which is in place. I am all for making things better - the lives of people as you say. Yet up here it seems that the bill is one which the primary concern is the cost as DJ had made. This is a case where
ReplyDeleteI believe that the fed's went not only too far but it was never truly explained out to everyone and the feel is if it was then there would be
more awareness.
Everyone wishes for security and this is a case where I believe the government here - will have only wasted much tax dollars on a premature bill
which shall never pass. That's my take.
Pamela I believe so. I do believe there is the onus of the parents coupled with a more moderate measure.We all have what is called "parental controls".
ReplyDeleteHaddie I have been watching this as it goes along up here and there were literally millions which were wasted on
ReplyDeletewhat was called a gun registry system years ago for hunting rifles and here again is a matter which I don't think
has been thought out. I shall have to track the figures but my hunch is that it won't be passed.
Doug, by way of a friend within the RCMP as well as within the Saskatoon Police force where there is now a special unit which is constantly growing. I am not sure if everyone in Canada has to have a profile. I does breach freedoms but when there are special divisions already in place there is something within this which I am missing.
ReplyDeleteYet I don't know what it is as the laws between Canada and the USA are different - not much but CSIS - the RCMP - and the municipal police in major cities do
have these special units in place. There has to be more to this Doug than just the extra costs and the Feds trying to pass a law like this. I don't have a clue
to be honest as to what that is.
This is pretty much how it has been done here but not till recently was this brought up as a security bill. As a semi socialized democracy up here
ReplyDeletewe do pay for what is already within place. This is the reason up here Rebecca that there has been an uproar here in Canada. What many see
is doubled taxes by ISPs as well as within the GST - Government Service Tax and PST - Provincial Service Taxes.
Doug always does for that matter everyone does. Although there is a different system in which prevention is done. I did post this one as what we are seeing is a society which is truly integrated with the internet and the price to be safe is a quandary. After hearing so much on this one area, I thought I would post it as what I found profound. I might be a little behind on things but I don't know why every citizen would have to be profiled. If it does go through
ReplyDeleteI ponder on what will be the impact of some companies.
I would thought that there would have been more time spent on this than one minister of Parliament here tooting his horn while he may very well
be putting into place what is already within place. Yet it still does have to go to Parliament. Personal information is something that even a government
better be very sure of what they put into place as this bill could very well go too far. Just my take.