Challenging the meaning of life is the truest expression of the state of being human. Never allow one to make you think otherwise...
~ Viktor E. Frankl ~
I wonder how many do not know what they are living for or why they are here? Is it a forever challenge-the meaning of life for humans?
Interesting quote, I don't think I ever heard it before. For centuries philosophers have dealt with aspects of humanness, of humanity. But, surprisingly, there is no agreed-upon definition of the quality of humanness- is there?
I read some on him --bits and piece. And I do like psychology (even many animal blogs I relate with humans) I'll look for more next time I am out. I have read other stories from people there. Women as well. Amazing what they went through Thank you--think I will read more there
Jack, just before you posted your comment, I was thinking about animals. To my knowledge, they don't challenge the meaning of life. Animals just live it. At least, from what I've observed by their behavior.
To challenge the meaning of life brings both joy and sorrow, light and darkness to many. Especially the intelligent, and creative mind.
Are animals more peaceful then, do you think, Jack? I wouldn't venture a guess!
Or within children they are born and they don't assume anything they just go about it. Animals seem to have behaviors as well Sig. But it's food for thought...
Except for this, Jack. I'm not an expert on babies, but I know that at a very young age, they're fascinated by their body parts~ for example, they investigate their toes and fingers as curious things! As toddlers, they ask questions constantly. What is this, what does it do, what's it for? There are lots of "Whys." Who am I going to be when I grow up? All sorts of questions. This could be the beginning of further depth in maturity, such as~the meaning of life. I'll give it think!
What he found was within the diversity of people when there is not an assumption but there is a meaning to something it gave way to people not only understanding themselves but living life. That was different for each person and within that diversity rendered a better understanding without the need to overly process it. Hence simplicity.
They don't reason like man. Instinct drives them more. But they can and do assume things like perhaps another animal are a danger or not. Not sure babies do that. They do have behavior patterns that can be liken to us. Than again some but not all baby animals are not as aware till older Above I meant I like the study of Psychology why people think or act the way they do, what things might mean to them, like this man's quote you used. Interesting quote. Sometimes I often I use animal examples often to the psychology of people. (Many old books do the same--like sheep for people who mindlessly follow) This man you mentioned- Frankl concludes from his experience that a prisoner's psychological reactions are not solely the result of the conditions of his life, but also from the freedom of choice he always has even in severe suffering. In that sense animals as well make choices often when caged or surrounded how they will react to those surroundings-they can be very different in their reaction. And if the cage is open will they attack or run or even stay afraid to go? They don't challenge the meaning of life but they do have the will often to fight for life
Yeah one which within the history of this which I am sure you know of is Pavlov and his studies with animals Haddy. What I enjoy is the ability to render the good things. I am hoping that there can be something good that takes place within the dialogue of two people within here, which I am sure both of them do understand that there can be peace rendered by way of choice. My hopes I guess.
I couldn't agree with you more on what I quoted; also, "In that sense animals as well make choices often when caged or surrounded how they will react to those surroundings-they can be very different in their reaction. And if the cage is open will they attack or run or even stay afraid to go?"
The sheep analogy/simile/metaphor is well used, as sheep can literally be herded to a cliff by one dog~and jump to their death.
I believe that every living thing is "individualistic"~~furthering your point~~even plants in the exact, same environment will survive, and some may not.
Regardless not for a minute did I not see that there was one that was against another within this quote. Sig you individualistic theory might just be applicable to another person you have animosity towards - hence I say drop the bull.
Jack, this is unbelievable~you're so totally, totally out of line.
I agreed with hadenough 100% on this. I agreed with her words that I quoted, and included her other words in my comment. When someone makes the good sense that she did, I respect it and add my agreement to it.
"there was one that was against another within this quote." That statement couldn't be more absurd.
You did something like this to me once before~about my having a "dependency" on a woman, because I spoke of her in a positive way. You even came into my guest book with the confusing message that I'd sent you a PM while you weren't online, (?) but taking care of someone, and then you disconnected as a contact. You invited me back in essence saying to let the past be past. I accepted. Now you're writing confused things about me again.
If you can't see that I was reinforcing of hadenough's views on the quote, then perhaps it's best that I don't visit your blogs. I'm a great guy one minute and full of bull the next. I don't appreciate this at all.
You might give this a think before you lose another friend due to, obviously, not reading the content of a comment.
No I am glad as I don't wish for dessention. This is great as the other night I thought there was some malice Sig. This is great. I am glad as I don't wish to have some of the things that even I used to do and I invited you and as well Haddy has been on my blog for years. I don't know why the settings are as they are but all is good within the array of thoughts. I thought if there was malice there could be a way to work things out. But this is good to hear. Sig I just logged on and I have always enjoyed your thoughts as you know and Haddy comes on now and then and I felt that I was embetween something which. But it's good and I am certainly glad.
1. If my opinions, (or facts), differ from another, I'll express this just as we all do. There's never a valid reason for malice, nor have I ever, ever shown it. 2. If I admire and respect someone's thoughts, I express this, too. It may be the very same person with whom I disagreed before on a different issue. 3. A DEBATE is always civil. That's what a debate is. 4. One or more of the debaters may cast a rebuttal in their defense, should another misquote, or malign what they've said. a) Now is a good time to walk away. 5. If a debate evolves into name calling, it has become an ARGUMENT. I do NOT involve myself in these.
"Malice" is an ugly word. What sort of people have malice in them? To tell someone to "drop the bull" is, to me, very rude~~especially when no "bull" was expressed.
I hope that in future, you won't have a preconceived mindset before you even internalize what I've said.
Jack, I've seen people on Multiply, (not your page), who appear to live just to stir up trouble as much as they can. I have far better things to do with my life. I wish that everyone would feel the same.
I have seen this a well Sig and again as we both mentioned we do have much in common and there was an assumption and that is all over with Sig. I was not on the computer yesterday at all. So once again I addressing that we are in good company. Ironically this thought of the day at the time was for one had blogged and was feeling very down at the same time if I may add.
Hence the quote and lets allow the future to be within the decent efforts of all.
Good. I'm glad you saw this, as I've stated everything precisely. Accusations should always be well founded, (if they're needed at all). Assumptions are just that~~ assumptions, speculations. To me, they're best stayed away from, because they never render evidence.
As well, do not I am glad that your content with another on here as my friend. So it's all well and good. Life is much too short Sig. I don't wish to be in a group, I already am in one. I just like you love to write in my own manner. I know you do as well.
And never let someone tell you what the meaning is either...for it is to be discovered slowly. ~Melody~
ReplyDeleteWe must be on the same wavelength tonight
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many do not know what they are living for or why they are here?
ReplyDeleteIs it a forever challenge-the meaning of life for humans?
Interesting quote, I don't think I ever heard it before. For centuries philosophers have dealt with aspects of humanness, of humanity. But, surprisingly, there is no agreed-upon definition of the quality of humanness- is there?
A good quote there Jack.
ReplyDeleteAllowing someone dictates our reasoning is like letting them run our lives.
I read your blog last night :)
ReplyDeleteHaddie I don't think so, Victor Frankl was an amazing man what he found within life is the meaning of purpose after the camps of Auschwitz.
ReplyDeleteSlowly and within ones own manner and way. For each one has a discovery of which is within ones own manner.
ReplyDeleteSeemed fitting last night Maritess.
ReplyDeleteI read some on him --bits and piece. And I do like psychology (even many animal blogs I relate with humans)
ReplyDeleteI'll look for more next time I am out.
I have read other stories from people there. Women as well. Amazing what they went through
Thank you--think I will read more there
Agree, Melody. No one could tell another in any case, because it's different for everyone.
ReplyDeleteSorry, Jack! I've been reading from the first comment, as always, and I believe I expressed the same opinion. But then we often think alike.
ReplyDeleteIronically we do Sig often there are times that what you have wrote on I can relate with very well.
ReplyDeleteJack, just before you posted your comment, I was thinking about animals. To my knowledge, they don't challenge the meaning of life. Animals just live it. At least, from what I've observed by their behavior.
ReplyDeleteTo challenge the meaning of life brings both joy and sorrow, light and darkness to many. Especially the intelligent, and creative mind.
Are animals more peaceful then, do you think, Jack? I wouldn't venture a guess!
Or within children they are born and they don't assume anything they just go about it. Animals seem to have behaviors as well Sig.
ReplyDeleteBut it's food for thought...
Except for this, Jack. I'm not an expert on babies, but I know that at a very young age, they're fascinated by their body parts~ for example, they investigate their toes and fingers as curious things! As toddlers, they ask questions constantly. What is this, what does it do, what's it for? There are lots of "Whys." Who am I going to be when I grow up? All sorts of questions. This could be the beginning of further depth in maturity, such as~the meaning of life. I'll give it think!
ReplyDeleteVictor Frankl was wrote much on these areas. One of my favorite books is, "The Meaning of Life".
ReplyDeleteWhat he found was within the diversity of people when there is not an assumption but there is a meaning to something it gave way to people not only understanding themselves but living life. That was different for each person and within that diversity rendered a better understanding without the need to overly process it. Hence simplicity.
ReplyDeleteThey don't reason like man. Instinct drives them more. But they can and do assume things like perhaps another animal are a danger or not. Not sure babies do that. They do have behavior patterns that can be liken to us. Than again some but not all baby animals are not as aware till older
ReplyDeleteAbove I meant I like the study of Psychology why people think or act the way they do, what things might mean to them, like this man's quote you used. Interesting quote.
Sometimes I often I use animal examples often to the psychology of people. (Many old books do the same--like sheep for people who mindlessly follow)
This man you mentioned- Frankl concludes from his experience that a prisoner's psychological reactions are not solely the result of the conditions of his life, but also from the freedom of choice he always has even in severe suffering. In that sense animals as well make choices often when caged or surrounded how they will react to those surroundings-they can be very different in their reaction. And if the cage is open will they attack or run or even stay afraid to go?
They don't challenge the meaning of life but they do have the will often to fight for life
Again interesting quote
Yeah one which within the history of this which I am sure you know of is Pavlov and his studies with animals Haddy.
ReplyDeleteWhat I enjoy is the ability to render the good things. I am hoping that there can be something good that takes place
within the dialogue of two people within here, which I am sure both of them do understand that there can be peace rendered
by way of choice. My hopes I guess.
I couldn't agree with you more on what I quoted; also, "In that sense animals as well make choices often when caged or surrounded how they will react to those surroundings-they can be very different in their reaction. And if the cage is open will they attack or run or even stay afraid to go?"
ReplyDeleteThe sheep analogy/simile/metaphor is well used, as sheep can literally be herded to a cliff by one dog~and jump to their death.
I believe that every living thing is "individualistic"~~furthering your point~~even plants in the exact, same environment will survive, and some may not.
Regardless not for a minute did I not see that there was one that was against another within this quote. Sig you individualistic theory might just be applicable to another person you have animosity towards - hence I say drop the bull.
ReplyDeleteJack, this is unbelievable~you're so totally, totally out of line.
ReplyDeleteI agreed with hadenough 100% on this. I agreed with her words that I quoted, and included her other words in my comment.
When someone makes the good sense that she did, I respect it and add my agreement to it.
"there was one that was against another within this quote." That statement couldn't be more absurd.
You did something like this to me once before~about my having a "dependency" on a woman, because I spoke of her in a positive way. You even came into my guest book with the confusing message that I'd sent you a PM while you weren't online, (?) but taking care of someone, and then you disconnected as a contact. You invited me back in essence saying to let the past be past. I accepted. Now you're writing confused things about me again.
If you can't see that I was reinforcing of hadenough's views on the quote, then perhaps it's best that I don't visit your blogs.
I'm a great guy one minute and full of bull the next. I don't appreciate this at all.
You might give this a think before you lose another friend due to, obviously, not reading the content of a comment.
No I am glad as I don't wish for dessention. This is great as the other night I thought there was some malice Sig. This is great.
ReplyDeleteI am glad as I don't wish to have some of the things that even I used to do and I invited you and as well Haddy has been on my blog for years. I don't know why the settings are as they are but all is good within the array of thoughts. I thought if there was malice there could be a way to work things out. But this is good to hear. Sig I just logged on and I have always enjoyed your thoughts as you know and Haddy comes on now and then and I felt that I was embetween something which. But it's good and I am certainly glad.
1. If my opinions, (or facts), differ from another, I'll express this just as we all do. There's never a valid reason for malice, nor have I ever, ever shown it.
ReplyDelete2. If I admire and respect someone's thoughts, I express this, too. It may be the very same person with whom I disagreed before on a different issue.
3. A DEBATE is always civil. That's what a debate is.
4. One or more of the debaters may cast a rebuttal in their defense, should another misquote, or malign what they've said.
a) Now is a good time to walk away.
5. If a debate evolves into name calling, it has become an ARGUMENT. I do NOT involve myself in these.
"Malice" is an ugly word. What sort of people have malice in them?
To tell someone to "drop the bull" is, to me, very rude~~especially when no "bull" was expressed.
I hope that in future, you won't have a preconceived mindset before you even internalize what I've said.
Jack, I've seen people on Multiply, (not your page), who appear to live just to stir up trouble as much as they can. I have far better things to do with my life. I wish that everyone would feel the same.
I have seen this a well Sig and again as we both mentioned we do have much in common and there was an assumption and that is all over with Sig. I was not on the computer yesterday at all. So once again I addressing that we are in good company. Ironically this thought of the day at the time was for one had blogged and was feeling very down at the same time if I may add.
ReplyDeleteHence the quote and lets allow the future to be within the decent efforts of all.
Good. I'm glad you saw this, as I've stated everything precisely. Accusations should always be well founded, (if they're needed at all). Assumptions are just that~~ assumptions, speculations. To me, they're best stayed away from, because they never render evidence.
ReplyDeleteAs well, do not I am glad that your content with another on here as my friend. So it's all well and good. Life is much too short Sig.
ReplyDeleteI don't wish to be in a group, I already am in one. I just like you love to write in my own manner. I know you do as well.
Then, I may have confidence that you'll read carefully what I say before suggesting I'm full of bull? :~({
ReplyDeleteOn groups, I don't remember ever asking you to join one? I participate in only one, and it wouldn't be suitable for you, as I'm certain you'd agree.
Sig something tremendous happened for myself medically today.
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