It is unspeakable and not comprehendable when at least five people are dead and a U.S. congresswoman is fighting for her life after a gunman opened fire while she was holding a public event outside a grocery store. Regardless of any way you slice it - it just does not make sense...
nope it doesnt, six dead, one a nine year old child, a Federal judge, 19 people shot, 10 still in critical condition. makes me sick. I am heartbroken by this. Arizona is my home.
ReplyDeleteSorry to here that Pam as when I got in the door I saw this and it's sad that things like this go on...it is.
ReplyDeleteIt makes me sick also Jack.
ReplyDeleteI've only caught a little news on this. Yes, it is very sad.
ReplyDeleteIt's awful ...
ReplyDeleteNope it doesn't make sense!
ReplyDeleteJack, it's as I suspected.
ReplyDelete"The House of Representatives will postpone next week's vote to repeal President Barack Obama's healthcare reform legislation due to the shooting of Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords, House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said on Saturday.
"All legislation currently scheduled to be considered by the House of Representatives next week is being postponed so that we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of today's tragedy," Cantor said in a prepared statement.
Giffords had received threats for her support of the healthcare reform bill and her office in Tucson was vandalized after the measure passed Congress last March.
Repeal of the law is a priority of Republicans who won control of the House in November elections, and it is expected to pass the House easily when the vote takes place.
The effort is not expected to advance in the Democratic-controlled Senate, however.
Cantor said he would release a revised House schedule on Sunday.
"It is horrifying that she was exposed to such violence at an event designed to reach the people she represents," Cantor said.
(Reporting by Andy Sullivan; Editing by Philip Barbara)
I'm positive Giffords was the one I saw in the video, who was going to challenge the governor about 'other' cuts in the budget that will allow the transplants. (See my blog, "Justice") There's a connection. Does it make 'sense?' It makes perfect sense to the gunman.
Not to you or me; it's a tragedy~these things have happened before, & will happen again. Have you seen Lucija's poem, The Killing Field?
http://notjustpoems.multiply.com/journal/item/663/THE_KILLING_FIELD_A_METAPHOR?replies_read=1
Now, to me, it almost seems more of a lament~~
Arizona is my primary home, Jack. I think there's an update on this~~.
ReplyDelete"A San Francisco man upset with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's support of health care reform pleaded guilty to threatening the Democratic congresswoman and her family, calling her directly on March 25 and threatening to destroy her Northern California home if she voted for health care reform.
ReplyDeleteIn July, a California man known for his anger over left-leaning politics engaged in a shootout with highway patrol officers after planning an attack on the ACLU and another nonprofit group. The man said he wanted to "start a revolution" by killing people at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation.
During his campaign effort to unseat Giffords in November, Republican challenger Jesse Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle. Kelly is a former Marine who served in Iraq and was pictured on his website in military gear holding his automatic weapon and promoting the event."
This is the kind of world we all live in. There is no escape from it.
This is a quote from the news conference that prety much says it all!
ReplyDeleteThe sheriff blamed the vitriolic political rhetoric that has consumed the country, much of it centered in Arizona.
"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous," he said. "And unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."
I surprised this kind of thing is not in the news more often.
ReplyDeleteIf American politicians wave guns around in commercials, as Sigurd pointed out, and Sarah Palin puts bullseye "crosshairs" over certain Democratic-held districts on her website, forgive me for thinking perhaps this kind of "visual ballistics" might have an unsettling effect on an already unstable mind.
ReplyDeleteHaving said this, I think all people of prominence in the media need to step back and draw down their rhetoric, especially in Arizona.
VERY well said, Doug. But who can stop commercials and web sites? The DOWN side of freedom of speech~~
ReplyDeleteYou can't stop commercial and web sites from saying anything but, it may be interesting to see if this guy went to one of the fundraisers where you could shoot a M16 at a picture of her. More interesting if it is shown that behavior like this incited violence. In which case the fundraiser and sponsors may be held libel.
ReplyDeleteVery sad
ReplyDeleteIf you can, go to msnbc.com and watch Meet The Press that was on earlier this morning.
ReplyDelete?The world is getting to be a very crazy place to live,
ReplyDeleteis there a here after? not sure today if there is, I feel so hollow, current events, missing children, dead politicians, dirty propoganda and on the home front, a personal war ... There has always been propoganda we now have far reaching tools to spread it
who is the better speaker
dumbing down of our kids
refusal to treat our elders
medication the cure
what is the disease?
oh damn, this depression I am claiming has me sinking to my knees
I will go see if I can find Sistersunshines link,
Yes, and what was said at the fundraisers. No Democrat or Republican candidate should be having a machine gun rally.
ReplyDeleteWho indeed? Those politicians and media motor-mouths who use that freedom need to remember how many deranged people might be listening to them.
ReplyDeleteDarbs I knew writing this it would have an impact....lets look and learn. :)
ReplyDeleteI have not been on here Sig and I am looking...
ReplyDeleteSig these are very bad politics. The actually come to not being politics. This is not the kind of world I live in and I am not trying to promote on country after another as most would assume...it's bad. This is why I really believe in some of the laws that do reside within Canada.
ReplyDeleteI have not contest nor need to rebut it...
Doug this is an areas where I think that things need to be looked at. I have been a friend of yours for a very long time and this does not get in the way of all that but Doug I will say that we probably do have a cultural thing here....this has never nor happened ever within Canada and wow how politics are going right now in the great US of A are not the manner that I knew while living there - there is no disputes in that this first amendment right to bear arms evidentlpy illustrates this. To be very frank - it literally make me sick. I don't need to back up this but this is where there is a cultural difference within two nations that share so much yet do have there own different ways.
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ReplyDeleteDarby, I love American history, I love history period. but I missed this as this morning I was out but
ReplyDeleteI believe within the US of A. But I deploy this area where nearly anyone has the freedom to bare arms.
I guess you could call me a one that observes things from all side - as I do believe in America but
when things as such happen... when are amendments allowed?
There is a right to free speech as well but does free speech include inciting a riot? Does freedom of the press include lies and rhetoric? In front of the Supreme Court right now the freedom of speech is being questioned as to whether a self proclaimed religious group can protest funerals and hound the families of the deceased. I think there are a lot of questions that are being pushed right now.
ReplyDeleteSharon are we writing on things that take place in a third nation? As this would be the first thought of most anyone. Not many touched this yet it's centered within Arizona but is it really just one state? Once again your speaking to one that loves the US - most would say uh - huh....but I do yet there are areas I feel that after this do need to be mandated.....no more commerical guns sold - it resolves much. I could prove it statistically if need be.
ReplyDeleteIt does as and that is half the root of the problem.
ReplyDeleteNo....it doesn't. Seemingly the media does thrive on this and vica versa. Within the past the Supreme Court has debated the freedom to bare arms more than once.
ReplyDeleteYou would think we were talking of a another country but we aren't. It's sad isn't it
ReplyDeleteI am thinking on this one...
ReplyDeleteYour a Canadian...that is an obvious.
ReplyDeleteSig but are we looking at politics with where the means comes to be killings? I literally can't understand that from up here and as well while living there I have seen in the past what happens and to me this does seem all to against the grain of values.
ReplyDeleteReading this again I agree as there was much on the news from up here Doug. I have friends that are within politics and hold a seat and the last thing that ever happens is these kind of measures - one has to ask and I am sure even the likes of Clinton, and many of the like that are prominent people are right now thinking about what and where things are headed - or maybe I should say headed...
ReplyDeleteI have yet to see anything of the likes take place in any industralized country.
Nancy I can assure you I am not going to say on this topic.
ReplyDeleteYou really would Sharon...
ReplyDeleteWhen the first Amendment was created it was with the ideal that within America there was a right for the preservation of people back in those time. But those right and the foundation of why the gun laws came to being are for other purpose than what they were first introduced to be for.
ReplyDeleteNow very much a different thing. And in due time perhaps it shall take a change as I do think this does send out a message to most that to be able and entitle to walk an buy any type of gun - is not the way within these times. As it's so obvious to see.
A guy killed his dad in the public library with a crossbow about a month ago up here in Canada. If you want to kill someone there are lots of ways.
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Question is, why do people want to kill eachother and how can we help them not want to anymore?
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It does happen in different forms and within different degrees and yes those are ways and it's not a great thing here nor anywhere were there is a life
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That is the question...we all have this areas in which is called peace but how do we cease these areas
ReplyDeleteit's beyond me. Within any part of the world there is always something in which is going on and
this is the news that I so often ponder.
I think people should pull themselves back from situations and take a look at what the world sees. Think back to people protesting military funerals and protestors with signs saying God hates FAGS. Think of images of Sarah Palin on her reality show clubbing fish to death, in other countries politicians are shown with respect. the images of pregnant teens, obesity running rampant...this is what people around the wold see as America. Now they see the face of a 9 year old girl dead.
ReplyDeleteWell it happens everywhere Sharon but how I saw this was politics with guns. And I have never seen anything of the likes before. Yet we carry...
ReplyDeleteI haven't either. There is something crazy going on in this country. I have a neighbor with 4 sons. Two of them are in a methadon clinic, one is in college taking 50 level - remedial classes. The other failed English and Math but was promoted to the next level of high school. He thinks it's funny that he's failing again. With kids like that would anyone think it is wise to get a permit to be a gun dealer and sell guns over the internet from their home? Because thats exactly what he started to do in the last year. He says we all need to be armed for the revolution. It scares the crap out of me.
ReplyDeleteJack take a look at this blog. This is about one of the real victims.http://jadedruid.multiply.com/journal/item/1722/Born_on_September_11th
ReplyDeleteAll I have to say that the person or persons responsible will have to stand before God one day and answer for this terrible crime!
ReplyDeleteThis isn't politics Jack. It was clearly a crime commited by a psychotic mind.
ReplyDeleteI could only sigh and offer my prayers to the victims and that may the Congresswoman not only survived but retain her faculties. And i do hope the culprit be placed to a mental institution and given proper medications then put to bar and served whatever punishment for what he has done to his victims.
Got myself an nice nasty cold here today however Jade I shall and Gary all are responsible within there own very actions I feel and this is one case of many. Maritess thanks as I don't write all that much unless there is something I do find that is substantial within the times Doug place a great write on this as well and I hope he does not mind in my placing in on here.
ReplyDeletehttp://dnoakes.multiply.com/video/item/234/Congresswoman_Gabrielle_Giffords_Talks_Violent_Attacks_Sarah_Palins_Cross_Hairs_?replies_read=21
But not staying on this topic as I mentioned the other day...
ReplyDeleteTakening a look Sharon.
ReplyDeleteSuch disrespect for life--it is hard to understand.
ReplyDeleteRoad rage, domestic rage, crowd rage, air rage, political rage - like cracks in the walls of a building, they are just the visible warnings of a serious underlying problem
I don't blame the gun, if it weren't that it would be a home-made bomb like several killings last year, fires to whole buildings killing hundreds-several of those worldwide, chemicals like in the subway in Japan and other places, knifing like gang fights that killed many just walking by-not hard to do. Intentional food poisoning, There is no limit to killing and how it can be done--and your just as injurer or dead often. And it's happening all over
I am deeply saddened by the shootings and killings. However, I fell that this "game" some politicians from each party are playing to place blame does nothing but make matters worse. When will there be unity; when will politicians realize they are on the same team. And when will the media cease putting a killer's name and picture on one front page after another, giving infamy to a killer, the very thing that killer seeks.
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